In a discussion on whether the use of blogs (and more widely the intenet) is haraam (prohibited), Aziz writes:
A crime like rape is seen as a problem arising from immodest clothing rather than a violation of civil rights and the sovereignity [sic] of the self.
I cannot comment on how rape is viewed or seen by Muslim jurists (this needs someone to do a survey of how such acts were classified and understood in Muslim legal writing and what the practice was and is today). I responded to his comment on the 'sovereignty of the self':
I doubt pre-modern (philosophically speaking) traditional religions recognise "sovereignty of the self".
Aziz's response was to invoke ijtihad allowing "role for the indovidual's [sic] self-determination". I believe ijtihad is a rather abused word as I suggested in another post. But this isn't the place for that. The point here is to note that whereas modern liberal theories acknowledge the individual as a self-owning and sovereign individual, who is wholly owning of his/her acts, this is not the case with traditional forms of religion, of which classical Sunnism would be in Islamic history.
In early Muslim history, in the debates between traditionalists and rationalists (and those in between), a key question for Muslim theologians [1] was whether the acts of the human were "owned" by the man in question and what was the role of God in these acts. In the face of the extreme humanism of the Mu'tazlites (who seemed to reject the role of God in human actions), Sunnism chose, for the most part, the position that a man acquires his deeds (with God the cause and effect of such acts). [2] So from this perspective, the individual is not wholly owning of his or her acts (though is responsible for them before God); the individual here is certainly is not a sovereign agent who acts as he/she wills.
Further, there is a hint in the definition of the word muslim ('one who submits'). The individual (muslim) is bound by a set of disciplines (which cultivate virtues such as patience and steadfastness, reliance on God etc.) and a practical morality which binds him to the rest of the ummah and ultimately to God, the One who owns him or her. Certainly, liberals would find repulsive the idea that the Self is owned by something else (other than itself). But in Islamic moral theologies the reverse is said to be true; one who claims not to be (consciously) owned by God is distant from God (beyond a point which makes him or her a non-believer).
Notes
[1] Islam, as a whole, probably does not recognise a pure 'philosophy' as understood in Western traditions, divorced from a theology. But then neither does Catholicism. This doesn't mean there have not been Muslims, orthodox or hetrodox, who have recognised the concerns of philosophy. Ibn Rushd and Ibn Sina are two good examples.
[2] Whatever the philosophical and theological (i.e. rational, logical) arguments are, and whatever the internal developments of this theological position, would deserve more attention than I can give (in any case look up any good history book on Islamic theology). I also quite appreciate that Aziz is not a Sunni. So this argument does not affect him, but does affect, like I said, most Muslims who adhere to traditional religion.
Salaams
I wonder how typical Al-Ghazali was of his age, in suggesting that only an elite could take in serious debates within Islam, whilst the majority were to be 'conditioned' into belief, with the majority of the ulama existing as polemical defenders of the faith?
Of course, the Shi'a took a different line, but along with a greater emphasis on individual responsibility, there developed a greater emphasis on obedience to the religious leadership.
Is the sense of 'self' one of the key facets of modernity and postmodernity, with its greater emphasis on personal responsibility? I think so, but I also think the problems of self are amongst the least debated yet most pervasive challenges of our age.
From Fromm's belief that bourgeoise fears were leading Europeans to abnegate responsibility (to the far-right), to Bauman's more recent concerns over the fluidity of the self, we seem to have a persistently problem with 'identity'.
Indeed, I would postulate that one the appeals of fundamentalism is that it provides a fixed and responsible identity through which individuals can claim to be acting consistently and ethically.
Your post provides much food for thought.
Wasalaam
Yakoub
Posted by: Yakoub Islam | December 30, 2004 at 06:41 PM
I believe there's a saying of the Prophet (pbuh) to the effect that God favors or loves the name 'Abd Allah. Indeed, everyone is a slave of God -- some of us just choose not to acknowledge it. So, yes, the idea that the individual is autonomous needs to be carefully stated. If it means autonomous from state and even society, then maybe that argument can and sometimes should be advanced.
But no one is sovereign. The idea seems to fly in the face of Islam...
Posted by: haroon | December 31, 2004 at 05:31 PM
Assalamu alaikum
Even though Jurists see rape as a intimidation from women's part by very explicit dressing. They are not letting rapists to go by with mere excuse.
Irrespective of whatever the reason behind the intimidation, rapists are bound for death sentence in Khilafah. Jurists point of view, concerning the intimidation is to bring women who are careless abt their appearance to the Book. It is only method of keeping balance,rather than Women-oppressing.
It is improper to pick out of context and criticize it. I understand thoroughly author of the blog doesnt agree with that view. But i assumed it would be worthwhile if make some comments on that.
Wassalam
Posted by: Munthasir | January 04, 2005 at 04:53 AM
"If it means autonomous from state and even society, then maybe that argument can and sometimes should be advanced.
But no one is sovereign. The idea seems to fly in the face of Islam..."
There is a really big contradiction here. And also raises a whole host of questions. How can you say that a person can be sovereign in a political or social sense, but not in a transcendent sense? After all, I don't see how it is possible to assert one's political sovereignty except by asserting one's transcendent sovereignty (the latter being the only 'power' greater than the political). For example, you can't say to the state, 'i am my own sovereign' unless 1) the state gives you permission, in which case you are not sovereign, or 2) you are inherently sovereign, which you could only suggest by relying on a sovereignty that is transcendent. You, in turn, may respond to me and say that well 'what I mean when I say that I am inherently sovereign is that I am a sovereign over all things except God, there God is my sovereign.' This might be a good rhetorical way out of the morass, but goes to hell in a handbasket when/if you live in a society/state which purports to BE the will of God and you end up going against it. In other words, your viewpoint would run into some serious problems when there is a confrontation between the man who says that he is inherently sovereign b/c sovereigty comes from God, and the Islamic state which replies, no fool, we are sovereign because we are the will of God. I'm kinda smiling writing this, because all this almost seems to suggest that the only place that you could AFFIRM that you are inherently sovereign while also simultaneously submitted to God, is a non-Islamic state.
anyone else feel free to comment.
Posted by: Eteraz | January 05, 2005 at 05:42 AM
My comment ended in an ellipsis, because I honestly have no idea. How can someone be autonomous, that is, responsible before God, and at the same time that person is not self-owning? There are numerous philosophical games that have been played with the question, but I don't know if there's a 'rational' answer. It's like asking, why are we, in the Islamic view, threatened with eternal punishment for lives that are quite (compared to "eternity") short?
But in my heart, the issue of autonomy does make sense. Perhaps it's an issue of how we phrase it -- are we autonomous, or sovereign? if we are autonomous, we are ultimately dependent on God, but no state can deny certain aspects of that autonomy. Perhaps that is the way out of the morass? What a funny word.
Posted by: haroon | January 05, 2005 at 07:54 PM
I can't believe i'm quoting Maulana Mawdudi but he's an example of a man who made himself sovereign, a master of his thoughts, true revolutionary
"I recognise no king or ruler above me, nor do i bow before any government; nor do i view any law as binding on me...nor do i accept any tradition or custom"....
The father of modern fundamentalism himself espousing his distate for anything but his own mind. I think truly great men and women have the ability to go beyond and above. Didn't Maududi himself reject orthodox ulema's?
"the conservative approach, represented by ulemas, is unrealistic. It fails to take note that life is ever changing...new situations arising...new relationships are being formed and new problems are arising..."
(moment to stifle laughter at Maulana Mauddid referring to another body as 'conservative'.)
But the point is you have to admire this man. Bit of a Superman.
But then whats the difference between him and us?
Do we have to kill someone like Raskolnikov to find out?
"trust yourself and you will know how to live" Goethe.
Note: I think the esteemed sholar died in A Boston hospital, attempting to to avail himslef of the western science and technology he raged against his whole life.
Note: Excuse grandiosity. studying at moment need to let of steam with quotes and pomposity...
Posted by: Ballorama | January 11, 2005 at 08:24 AM
Well, if you read Mawdudi's writings on apostasy, he seemed to have internalized certain strains of extremist secularism. For example, his rationale for killing apostates is the same one that the Soviet state used to kill their own. He even found proof for it in the Quran.
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