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April 14, 2004

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MdK

Interesting piece again, makes you think, well makes me think anyway

Thebit

I always recommend Naipul to people who begin to blather on about Rushdie being the "saviour" of a certain ethnicity ("Indian Muslims"); because, usually, those who support Rushdie only do so to reinforce their prejudices and Naipul has all the anti-Muslim credentials they're looking for. At least Naipul, for all his bigotry, is a superior writer to Rushdie (have you tried to read _Fury_?).

It is only Hinduvata hordes who seek to write Islam out of India's history, or to recast Muslim rule it as a "dark age" of some sort. They are aided by people Gautier. Muslims, for better or for worse, are as much a part of India, as anyone else. Whatever wrongs they have may have done, they also did enriched the subcontinent.

On the wider point a very good insight on Pakistan. A nothing state. That seems to sum up its predicament.

malik

just finished reading white mughals too and found it a fascinating, rich sub text on a until now unknown aspect of Indian history. It debunks the dominant image that usually comes to mind in terms of the legacy of british rule- portrayed by most modern films and media- that of the arrogant, exclusivist British and their contempt and ravaging of a largely subjugated and passive native india. on the contrary this book shows that India was a highly pluralistic and open state with clever, vibrant, passionate people who interacted and jousted with the new foreigners on an equal basis.
ahh... i think ppl sincerely underrate the pleasures of indulging in past fantasies and glories of mughal india...thorougly enjoyable and always a good self esteem boost...highly recommend it.

malik

just finished reading white mughals too and found it a fascinating, rich sub text on a until now unknown aspect of Indian history. It debunks the dominant image that usually comes to mind in terms of the legacy of british rule- portrayed by most modern films and media- that of the arrogant, exclusivist British and their contempt and ravaging of a largely subjugated and passive native india. on the contrary this book shows that India was a highly pluralistic and open state with clever, vibrant, passionate people who interacted and jousted with the new foreigners on an equal basis.
ahh... i think ppl sincerely underrate the pleasures of indulging in past fantasies and glories of mughal india...thorougly enjoyable and always a good self esteem boost...highly recommend it.

drapeto

Since Bengali Muslims and northwest Indian Muslims have their own states, in which Islam forms a significant part of their identity, why cannot modern India have a Hindu component to its identity? Had Nehru taken this path, I think the BJP would not have formed and the riots would not have occurred, as a moderate religiosity coupled with modernity would have been just the security Hindus needed, just the badge of identity they demanded.

nah, man. it was the congress's employment of hindu religious symbols that encouraged and legitimized hindu-nationalist appeals. it wasn't nehru not taking this path that stoked hindutvadis, it was indira gandhi taking this path and jp narayan giving the rss a pass and the congress funding the shiv sena etc etc that gave the bjp its buzz.

the real solution was for everyone to become evr type atheists. ;-)

It is only Hinduvata hordes who seek to write Islam out of India's history

right, islamists only wrote muslims out of india's future.

Thebit

"the real solution was for everyone to become evr type atheists."

Yes, but "atheist" is a doctrinal position determined by Christianity.

"islamists only wrote muslims out of india's future."

Not sure what that means. Sorry.

alibhai

Drapeto, Do you imply muslims in India dont have a stake in the future of the country. Or are you refering to the muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh whose histories and future can not be studied in a vacuum without the wider subcontinental context.

a.v. koshy

very interesting article, in the light of the election results wonder what naipaul thinks of his fav party having plummeted in spite of yrs truly nobel laureate rooting for it and of the collective decison of opposition coalition parties to give an italian born dual citizen the chance to be prime minister of india? salman rushdies comments on why bjp fell and why he is glad about it seem valid but tame, in this regard, but has naipaul made any comments regarding this? is sonia gandhi coming back to power a return of the ideal situation dalrymple refers to where christian hindu and muslim can all marry and have kids and share the country or is it regression? i would ideally like a reply from the author of the review on dalrymple's book.

Randy McDonald

"[T]hose who support Rushdie only do so to reinforce their prejudices and Naipul has all the anti-Muslim credentials they're looking for."

Please define "support." I like his works, and I think he should be free to write them without threat of attack. That said, I also think he's become too much of a celebrity, and that his books of late are bloated.

Thebit

"Please define "support.""

I can only recommend the following link:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=support

"I like his works..."

And others don't.

"...and I think he should be free to write them without threat of attack."

Sorry, but I don't know where this came from. I have never threatened him or said he cannot "feel free to write" his works.

Randy McDonald

s"And others don't."

So what? Can't it just be an honest matter of preferring one writer's style and subject, when he does it well? And a matter of saying that a writer should be free to write whatever he'd like?

"Sorry, but I don't know where this came from. I have never threatened him or said he cannot "feel free to write" his works."

I'm not talking about you, or to you on thsi matter. I'm talking in general about the original fatwa issued against him as a result of _The Satanic Verses,_ and the rather spectacular amount of violence directed against people who collaborated in the publishing of this book(translators, in particular, fared poorly).

Prejudices don't enter into the matter; or, at least, prejudices don't matter inasmuch as I think that all writers should be free to blaspheme against their natal religions, and that they should be congratulated if they do a good job of it. What prejudices were you talking about?

Rajendraprasad Shinde

Liked article on naipaul's antimuslim views proved and way shown to indian studetns and teachers to understand his hypocrisy

JD

Go to Washington, D.C.: I suppose the Congress and the White House remind one of Middle Atlantic Native American architecture, or even old Celtic architecture.

Hmmm, on all of my trips to DC, I've never thought this (especially the former suggestion). I always thought it looked quasi-Roman. I'll have to give this some further thought.


On the contrary, Anglo immigrants and their descendants deliberately built a new Rome, and called their highest House the Senate, their members Senators, and so on and so forth. Even the word Republic: It’s originally Latin. Does that mean America is devoid of identity?

To a degree, yes. For example, as an American, we might ask each other a question along the lines of, "What are you?" When I live outside the US (as is the case now), I would answer, "I'm an American," as you might expect. But inside the US, the expected response is one of ethnicity/nationality: "I'm English and Irish, with a little bit of blah and blah thrown in." When I first moved to Arizona in the early 1980s, the question was similar but here the questioner really wanted to know what state you had come from (Arizona was growing rapidly with many people moving there from all over the US; the vast majority of state residents at that time were not native-born Arizonans).

We Americans do, of course, have an identity, but I'm not sure we feel it as intensely. When I was a teenager, our family would put up an American flag out on the front porch most every day, especially during the summer (this was not something most people did or still do). And I suppose you might have thought my family as being "patriotic." But when I moved out west, to Arizona, I found the people there to be much more patriotic than my family or any of the easterners whom I had grown up with.

Moreover, we Americans have other identities that we also strongly associate with - our state or region primarily. For example, even though I grew up in the north-eastern US, I think of myself (still) as an Arizonan and (less so) as a Westerner (meaning, of the Western US).

So, yes, we Americans do have an identity (perhaps better to say multiple identities ;) ), and they differ from person to person and region to region, and perhaps all this makes for the confusion as to what our true identity really is.

JCS

While I've enjoyed reading the postings re Naipaul and comments about his flagrant bigotry, I think back to his careful and circumspect interviews in Beyond Belief. It seemed he was constantly being informed about his missed cultural cues, near misinterpretations, by his translators and guides. Nonetheless, he seemed to take great care in presenting interviews and characters in detail, reporting their comments, reflections and how each saw his/her own history, present and future. While he may be criticized by some for infusing his own opinions in his portraits, and perhaps those opinions aren't always positive, he makes an effort to search out the truth--whatever that may be--and bring it to life through a number of stories of real people using their own reminiscences and often their own words. It seems to me that he makes it clear when his characters are speaking and when he is speaking for or about them. We have too many writers today with no opinion whatsoever and with consequently nothing worth writing about. I can see now that I need to read more authors on the topic(s), but I have no regrets in reading Naipaul, have learned much (besides bigotry!) and will read more of him, along with others, in the future. Good Night and Good Luck.

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