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October 16, 2004

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As-Salaamu 'alaikum, Zia Sardar wrote one of the first books I read on Islam which was instrumental in persuading me to accept Islam, and so I find it disappointing to hear a lot of what he says given that he did so much for me (even without knowing me). Yes, you're right about Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani. He was Persian (Gilani) and did most of his work in Baghdad.

I actually saw him speak at Borders in Charing Cross Road, London, next to Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, and he was commenting on Muslim attitudes to Qadianis. Then he said that they are beginning to call "your lot", the Isma'ilis, non-Muslims as well. Which Muslims always have, in fact. They have not always made a big thing about it with the Isma'ilis, because the Ismailis don't go round loudly proclaiming themselves to be the True Muslims, which the Qadianis do.

At this event I took him up on his claim that Wahhabism was tribalism with Islam as the tribe, when in fact it has the characteristics of straightforward tribalism - it comes from the same part of the Arabian peninsula which resented having a Quraishi prophet (sall' Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam), and many of its outlying communities are found in so-called "marginalised" populations, particularly in ghettoes, and among refugees (eg Somalis). It may be true in the case of the violent, bin-Laden type of Wahhabi, however.

Sorry, just to clarify, when I said "your lot", I was referring to what Zia said to Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, who is an Isma'ili herself.

Salam

Beautiful post, Thebit. It's always excellent to read.

Here in West Philadelphia, there is an enormous African-American Muslim community and it's widely recognized that it's growing fast. Converts keep coming in. Many of these converts are attached to very "harsh" interpretations of Wahhabism, one might say, but I do not begrudge that (even though I do not agree with that.)

Islam was begun by converts and the ferocity of their commitment. For many who convert, Islam is the way to God. For someone like myself, Islam is this thing I have inherited and have to figure out, on top of it also being a spiritual and social path... So I don't agree with Sardar's analysis of the fidelity of converts. I mean, I agree that it's there, but I can't see it as a bad thing in many cases...

Yusuf, if you could expound on your comment on tribalism and Wahhabism, I'd be most grateful...

wa alaykum as-salaam

Yusuf: To me, Wahhabism is long dead. It passed away when the modern Saudi state was formed, and the Saudi state is a Salafi sate. The two might be lumped together by their critics, but they are very different. One (Wahhabism) was pre-modern, their worldview rooted in their Bedouin culture. The latter, Salafism/s (for there is more than one), are very 'modern' -- it has managed to form a coherent political ideology (a good sign of the impact of modernity), and has found itself fighting colonialism. Some see Saudi as the ideal "Islamic state"; others as a hypocritical ruling family. The same is said for bin Laden. For example most Salafis, as you might know, are religiouslly opposed to the use of suicide bombings.

I am saying these things not to defend Salafisms or the Saudi state (they pay enough people to do this, so why should I do it for free ;-) But to put across the "other" side, if only to facilitate understanding.

As for Sardar himself, I think his most useful work is on critiquing modern Islamic science. I am afraid I agree with his overall assessment that it is of poor quality, unable to think outside of the box, stuck in merely mimicking "western" science or miracle-mongering. When I see people who are schooled in the classical Islamic disciplines promoting the Qur'an or the hadith as a source of "the latest scientific discovery" I have to cringe with embarrassment.

As for Sardar's views on Islam in general, especially law: I think he is sloppy in the use of words. His arguments might have more merit if he payed attention to them and what they meant, rather than ignoring the same history he likes to promote. (I left the same comments on your blog.) The irony is that as he defends Islamic history from the Outsider, he is rejected by his own.

Haroon: Thanks, you're too kind.

We -- you and I -- were Muslims, first and foremost, in the social and cultural sense (note: I am not talking of that famous hadith), born ito an era where we are a "minority". Some of us found it hard to keep this 'normative' faith, especially as out societies viewed our skin colour and funny names with suspicion, even contempt. Later, some of us discovered that element of our culture which makes them "Islamic" in the first place -- the Transcendent.

The convert, however, comes from the Outside. He often sees something we do not. He (or she) must see that which transcends "culture". The sad thing is that, as much as we like celebrate converts, especially white ones (it massages the ego), they are often shunned and neglected; treated like an unwanted pet among certain communities. And here I mean Pakistani communities, especially the ones who practice some sort of traditional Pakistani Islam (some form of Hanafism, Barelvism, Deobandism etc). When was the last you saw a traditional Pakistani family -- one long settled in the UK (or US?) -- marry their daughter to an upright Muslim outside their own birth village, or clan, let alone racial or ethnic group? Among my own relations recently there was much "uproar" that X cast married Y cast. Or earlier when there was disgust that a Punjabi family of "our cast" allowed their daughter to marry an Indian Gujrati. I've heard derision and contempt for black Muslims, where they would not even think the same of a black non-Muslim (indeed they can be close friends, and elements of "black (popular) culture" in Britain has made inroads into British-Pakistani youngsters). And these people are not your simple, "backward", villager.

I can honestly say had I not been witness to such scenes, I would not be repeating them here now.

In this respect, at least, "Wahhabis" (that is all groups identified as such by their critics) are better -- they seek (if unsuccessfully) to transcend their own provincialisms.

This is not to belittle Muslim ("Islamic") cultures (emphasis on plural). I believe "The One Islamic Culture Of All Times" as promoted by some is empty, vapid, meaningless and really means a replacement of their own opinions for "Islam". But it is to seek that which makes them "Islamic" in the first place. This is what Ramadan, for example, is asking Muslims in Europe to do; to make their own "European" culture but one which remains "Islamic". If Pakistani or Indian Muslims can have their own culture, why not European Muslims?

An Ibn Fadlan or an Ibn Battuta told Muslims there were "truths" other than their own local ones -- a Sardar of our own time is seeking to do the same, I believe. This ought to enrich us.

(Just to clarify: this doesn't mean the attempts by Ramadan, Sardar, or anyone else is free critcism.)

As-Salaamu 'alaikum, just one point in reply to Thabet about intermarriage and provincialism: in my experience, a lot of the urban ghetto Wahhabis don't attempt to transcend their provincialism, much as they like to think they're the universal Muslims and those Pakistanis down the road who are stuck in their "grave-worship" etc are just following culture. One of them (a quite recent convert) told me in response to my attempts to persuade him towards Ahlus-Sunnah that he had consulted his "good friends" in Brixton, and that he was following what they said to him.

I have personally heard a Carribean convert's hard-luck story about a Somali who refused him his daughter because he wasn't Somali, and a Libyan who demanded a five-figure mahr in gold, but the truth is this man had detestable adab and I would not marry any daughter of mine to him if he was the last man on earth. I speak as someone who has had three explicitly racist rejections for marriage from immigrants of two different backgrounds, but if we are talking about seriously religious Muslims, I still think we converts have a lot more to learn about Islam and being Muslim than they do.

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